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		<title>Elie: Elie moved page Appliances to Archive:000/Appliances without leaving a redirect: Huge_refactor</title>
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		<updated>2024-10-26T20:29:26Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Elie moved page &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Appliances&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Appliances (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Appliances&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/Archive:000/Appliances&quot; title=&quot;Archive:000/Appliances&quot;&gt;Archive:000/Appliances&lt;/a&gt; without leaving a redirect: Huge_refactor&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 16:29, 26 October 2024&lt;/td&gt;
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		<author><name>Elie</name></author>
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		<id>https://thechange.wiki/index.php?title=Archive:000/Appliances&amp;diff=1988&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Elie: /* Research needed */</title>
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		<updated>2024-03-26T22:46:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Research needed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 18:46, 26 March 2024&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l24&quot;&gt;Line 24:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Energy consumed by the new appliance vs the old one (calculate the difference)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Energy consumed by the new appliance vs the old one (calculate the difference)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What about when the old appliance is almost at its end of life anyway?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What about when the old appliance is almost at its end of life anyway?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Elie</name></author>
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		<title>Elie: Created page with &quot;It's a common ''green initiative'' to replace '''old''' appliances with '''new''' ones that use less energy.  But in what cases is this actually beneficial to the environment - and in what cases is it '''worse'''?  We have to compare the environmental footprint of making a new appliance vs the energy saved.   Reasons we shouldn't assume (by default) that replacement is the better choice: * Globally, Energy#Energy_demand|manufacturing uses far more energy than house...&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2022-06-23T21:25:57Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;It&amp;#039;s a common &amp;#039;&amp;#039;green initiative&amp;#039;&amp;#039; to replace &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;old&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; appliances with &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;new&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; ones that use less &lt;a href=&quot;/Energy&quot; title=&quot;Energy&quot;&gt;energy&lt;/a&gt;.  But in what cases is this actually beneficial to the environment - and in what cases is it &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;worse&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;?  We have to compare the environmental footprint of making a new appliance vs the energy saved.   Reasons we shouldn&amp;#039;t assume (by default) that replacement is the better choice: * Globally, Energy#Energy_demand|manufacturing uses far more energy than house...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;It's a common ''green initiative'' to replace '''old''' appliances with '''new''' ones that use less [[energy]].&lt;br /&gt;
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But in what cases is this actually beneficial to the environment - and in what cases is it '''worse'''?&lt;br /&gt;
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We have to compare the environmental footprint of making a new appliance vs the energy saved.&lt;br /&gt;
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Reasons we shouldn't assume (by default) that replacement is the better choice:&lt;br /&gt;
* Globally, [[Energy#Energy_demand|manufacturing uses far more energy than household electricity does.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Appliance replacement programs are often heavily subsidized. If they don't pay for themselves money-wise, do they pay for themselves energy-wise?&lt;br /&gt;
* If appliances are manufactured in other countries, the environmental impact may be overlooked. {{x|Because data may be harder to find, or harder to mix with local datasets. Also because some organizations' goals are defined too locally such as &amp;quot;get ''our country'' to net zero&amp;quot;.}}&lt;br /&gt;
* ''In some cases'', household electricity is from a more renewable source than what factories use.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Research needed==&lt;br /&gt;
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Things to consider&lt;br /&gt;
* Energy to manufacture a new appliance&lt;br /&gt;
** And all the materials that go into it&lt;br /&gt;
* Energy to dispose of the old one&lt;br /&gt;
** Or maybe that's less of an issue, since the old one will have to be disposed of eventually anyway&lt;br /&gt;
*** In that case, consider the energy to eventually dispose of the ''new'' appliance&lt;br /&gt;
* Lifespan of the new appliance&lt;br /&gt;
* Remaining lifespan of the old appliance&lt;br /&gt;
* Energy consumed by the new appliance vs the old one (calculate the difference)&lt;br /&gt;
What about when the old appliance is almost at its end of life anyway?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Elie</name></author>
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