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	===The economics favor this wasteful practice because:===		===The economics favor this wasteful practice because:===
	* Goods are sold for a much higher price than their raw ingredients.		* Goods are sold for a much higher price than their raw ingredients.
	** Sales make big revenue, but wasted goods make ''small'' losses - small in terms of money. For {{a2\|the environment\|humanity overall}}, food waste is [[food waste\|major loss]].		** Sales make big revenue, but wasted goods make ''small'' losses - small in terms of money. For{{alt\|the environment\|humanity overall}}, food waste is [[food waste\|major loss]].
	*** The business would rather risk wasting food than selling out.		*** The business would rather risk wasting food than selling out.
	**** In some jurisdictions, there are even ''fines'' for businesses that sell out.		**** In some jurisdictions, there are even ''fines'' for businesses that sell out.
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	====Kind explanation====		====Kind explanation====
	Some business owners do, but:		Some business owners do, but:
	* Some {{a2\|homeless shelters\|food banks}} might reject the baked goods, because they already receive too many, and because baked goods are mostly empty calories. For some people in poverty, the harder struggle is finding good [[nutrition]].		* Some{{alt\|homeless shelters\|food banks}}might reject the baked goods, because they already receive too many, and because baked goods are mostly empty calories. For some people in poverty, the harder struggle is finding good [[nutrition]].
	* The sheer volume of all leftovers might be more than all the local poor & homeless people can eat.		* The sheer volume of all leftovers might be more than all the local poor & homeless people can eat.
	** Evidenced by: for example: 1% of the population is homeless but 50% of all food goes to waste.		** Evidenced by: for example: 1% of the population is homeless but 50% of all food goes to waste.

Elie: /* Systemic changes */

2023-04-30T14:08:06Z

Systemic changes

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	* '''Project:''' Convert leftovers into meal-replacement bars for international [[food aid]]. {{npn}}		* '''Project:''' Convert leftovers into meal-replacement bars for international [[food aid]]. {{npn}}
	* {{light\|(''undecided'')}}		* {{light\|(''undecided'')}}
	** Make businesses pay to have their "~~trash~~" ~~removed~~.		** Make businesses pay {{light\|(by weight)}} to have their trash removed.
			*** <small style="color:#777">This could discourage food waste {{x\|well, to some extent, at least}} without making it outright illegal.</small>
	*** <small style="color:#777">For people / residential, trash removal could still remain free (publicly funded).</small>		*** <small style="color:#777">For people / residential, trash removal could still remain free (publicly funded).</small>
	*** <small style="color:#777">This is already implemented in some jurisdictions.</small>		*** <small style="color:#777">This is already implemented in some jurisdictions.</small>

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	===Solutions===		===Solutions===
	{{minor\|In this case, personal changes would probably have the biggest effect.}}		<!-- {{minor\|In this case, personal changes would probably have the biggest effect.}} -->
	====Personal changes====		====Personal changes====
	* As consumers, we should ask bakeries to sell their leftovers (discounted), and we should buy them as often as we buy fresh.		* As consumers, we should ask bakeries to sell their leftovers (discounted), and we should buy them as often as we buy fresh.
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	* '''Project:''' Convert leftovers into meal-replacement bars for international [[food aid]]. {{npn}}		* '''Project:''' Convert leftovers into meal-replacement bars for international [[food aid]]. {{npn}}
	* {{light\|(''undecided'')}}		* {{light\|(''undecided'')}}
	** Make businesses pay to have their trash removed.		** Make businesses pay to have their "trash" removed.
	*** <small style="color:#777">For people / residential, trash removal could still remain free (publicly funded).</small>		*** <small style="color:#777">For people / residential, trash removal could still remain free (publicly funded).</small>
	*** <small style="color:#777">This is already implemented in some jurisdictions.</small>		*** <small style="color:#777">This is already implemented in some jurisdictions.</small>

Elie: /* Systemic changes */

2023-04-30T13:41:24Z

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	* Abolish any laws that issue fines to businesses for selling out.		* Abolish any laws that issue fines to businesses for selling out.
	* Convert leftovers into meal-replacement bars for international [[food aid]]. {{npn}}		* Make it illegal for businesses to waste food.
			* '''Project:''' Convert leftovers into meal-replacement bars for international [[food aid]]. {{npn}}
	* {{light\|(''undecided'')}}		* {{light\|(''undecided'')}}
	** Make businesses pay to have their trash removed.		** Make businesses pay to have their trash removed.

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	**** Locking is often motivated by fear that everyone else will dump trash in the business's dumpster, which would cost the business money.		**** Locking is often motivated by fear that everyone else will dump trash in the business's dumpster, which would cost the business money.
	***** {{minor\|I'm not sure how justified this concern is for business owners. Residential & public areas have their own garbage bins anyway. The occasional dumping would probably be dwarfed by the business's own trash. But it's possible that many businesses would lock their dumpsters "just in case".}}		***** {{minor\|I'm not sure how justified this concern is for business owners. Residential & public areas have their own garbage bins anyway. The occasional dumping would probably be dwarfed by the business's own trash. But it's possible that many businesses would lock their dumpsters "just in case".}}
	**** ~~Dumpster locking~~ prevents anyone from recovering the leftover baked goods, making it harder to solve the food waste problem.		**** Locking prevents anyone from recovering the leftover baked goods, making it harder to solve the food waste problem.
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Elie: /* Personal changes */

2023-04-30T13:32:04Z

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	====Personal changes====		====Personal changes====
	* As consumers, we should ask bakeries to sell their leftovers (discounted), and we should buy them as often as we buy fresh.		* As consumers, we should ask bakeries to sell their leftovers (discounted), and we should buy them as often as we buy fresh.
	* If you feel adventurous, get into [[dumpster diving]].		* If you feel adventurous, get into [[dumpster diving]]. <sup>[But don't tell the bakery owners!]</sup>

	====Systemic changes====		====Systemic changes====
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Elie: /* Systemic changes */

2023-04-30T13:28:49Z

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	* {{light\|(''undecided'')}}		* {{light\|(''undecided'')}}
	** Make businesses pay to have their trash removed.		** Make businesses pay to have their trash removed.
			*** <small style="color:#777">For people / residential, trash removal could still remain free (publicly funded).</small>
	*** <small style="color:#777">This is already implemented in some jurisdictions.</small>		*** <small style="color:#777">This is already implemented in some jurisdictions.</small>
	*** <small style="color:#777">For people / residential, trash removal could still remain free (publicly funded).</small>
	*** '''Problem:''' We'd need an '''additional''' policy/law to '''prevent''' businesses from '''locking their dumpsters'''.		*** '''Problem:''' We'd need an '''additional''' policy/law to '''prevent''' businesses from '''locking their dumpsters'''.
	**** Locking is often motivated by fear that everyone else will dump trash in the business's dumpster, which would cost the business money.		**** Locking is often motivated by fear that everyone else will dump trash in the business's dumpster, which would cost the business money.

Elie: /* Systemic changes */

2023-04-30T13:23:35Z

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	* {{light\|(''undecided'')}}		* {{light\|(''undecided'')}}
	** Make businesses pay to have their trash removed.		** Make businesses pay to have their trash removed.
	*** <small>This is already implemented in some jurisdictions.</small>		*** <small style="color:#777">This is already implemented in some jurisdictions.</small>
	*** <small>For people / residential, trash removal could still remain free (publicly funded).</small>		*** <small style="color:#777">For people / residential, trash removal could still remain free (publicly funded).</small>
	*** '''Problem:''' We'd need an '''additional''' policy/law to '''prevent''' businesses from '''locking their dumpsters'''.		*** '''Problem:''' We'd need an '''additional''' policy/law to '''prevent''' businesses from '''locking their dumpsters'''.
	**** Locking is often motivated by fear that everyone else will dump trash in the business's dumpster, which would cost the business money.		**** Locking is often motivated by fear that everyone else will dump trash in the business's dumpster, which would cost the business money.
	***** {{minor\|I'm not sure how ~~likely~~ this ~~actually~~ is~~, since residential~~ & public areas have their own garbage bins anyway. The occasional dumping would probably be dwarfed by the business's own trash.}}		***** {{minor\|I'm not sure how justified this concern is for business owners. Residential & public areas have their own garbage bins anyway. The occasional dumping would probably be dwarfed by the business's own trash. But it's possible that many businesses would lock their dumpsters "just in case".}}
	**** Dumpster locking prevents anyone from recovering the leftover baked goods, making it harder to solve the food waste problem.		**** Dumpster locking prevents anyone from recovering the leftover baked goods, making it harder to solve the food waste problem.
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Elie: /* Systemic changes */

2023-04-30T13:12:56Z

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 * Abolish any laws that issue fines to businesses for selling out.
 * Convert leftovers into meal-replacement bars for international [[food aid]]. {{npn}}
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