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		<title>Elie: Elie moved page Baseload to Archive:000/Baseload without leaving a redirect: Huge_refactor</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Elie moved page &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Baseload&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Baseload (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Baseload&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/Archive:000/Baseload&quot; title=&quot;Archive:000/Baseload&quot;&gt;Archive:000/Baseload&lt;/a&gt; without leaving a redirect: Huge_refactor&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 16:29, 26 October 2024&lt;/td&gt;
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		<title>Elie: /* How much baseload power do we need? */</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;How much baseload power do we need?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==How much baseload power do we need?==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==How much baseload power do we need?==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Most optimistically, only about 10% of global energy has to be baseload. The other 90% consists of ''industry'', ''road vehicles'', ''[[heating]]'', etc. In principle, these could run entirely on energy from peak-supply times of day. For example in a mostly-[[solar]] scenario, [[factories]] could run entirely during daytime (and maybe even slow down production during cloudy days). [[Electric vehicles]] could also be charged during daytime.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Most optimistically, only about 10% of global &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;energy &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;demand]] &lt;/ins&gt;has to be baseload. The other 90% consists of ''industry'', ''road vehicles'', ''[[heating]]'', etc. In principle, these could run entirely on energy from peak-supply times of day. For example in a mostly-[[solar]] scenario, [[factories]] could run entirely during daytime (and maybe even slow down production during cloudy days). [[Electric vehicles]] could also be charged during daytime.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Things that truely need baseload power include:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Things that truely need baseload power include:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Elie</name></author>
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		<title>Elie: /* Which energy sources can provide baseload power? */</title>
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		<updated>2023-01-03T02:56:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Which energy sources can provide baseload power?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 22:56, 2 January 2023&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [[Hydropower]] - a greener energy source overall, but only viable in ''some'' parts of the world. Most hydro power plants that can be built, already have been - [[new hydro|with some exceptions]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [[Hydropower]] - a greener energy source overall, but only viable in ''some'' parts of the world. Most hydro power plants that can be built, already have been - [[new hydro|with some exceptions]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [[Nuclear]] - currently depends on uranium-235, which is quite scarce. There might ''just barely'' be enough if nuclear power is used ''only'' for baseloads.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [[Nuclear]] - currently depends on uranium-235, which is quite scarce. There might ''just barely'' be enough if nuclear power is used ''only'' for baseloads.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* With enough [[energy storage]], even [[solar]] and [[wind]] could be converted to baseload power. This is its own challenge.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Adjustability of power plants==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Adjustability of power plants==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Elie: Created page with &quot;The term &quot;baseload&quot; refers to electricity that has to be available 24/7. This is a challenge for intermittent energy sources like solar and wind.  ==How much baseload power do we need?== Most optimistically, only about 10% of global energy has to be baseload. The other 90% consists of ''industry'', ''road vehicles'', ''heating'', etc. In principle, these could run entirely on energy from peak-supply times of day. For example in a mostly-solar scenario...&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2023-01-03T02:51:53Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;The term &amp;quot;baseload&amp;quot; refers to electricity that has to be available 24/7. This is a challenge for intermittent &lt;a href=&quot;/Energy&quot; title=&quot;Energy&quot;&gt;energy&lt;/a&gt; sources like &lt;a href=&quot;/Solar&quot; class=&quot;mw-redirect&quot; title=&quot;Solar&quot;&gt;solar&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Wind&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Wind (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;wind&lt;/a&gt;.  ==How much baseload power do we need?== Most optimistically, only about 10% of global energy has to be baseload. The other 90% consists of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;industry&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;road vehicles&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;a href=&quot;/Heating&quot; title=&quot;Heating&quot;&gt;heating&lt;/a&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, etc. In principle, these could run entirely on energy from peak-supply times of day. For example in a mostly-&lt;a href=&quot;/Solar&quot; class=&quot;mw-redirect&quot; title=&quot;Solar&quot;&gt;solar&lt;/a&gt; scenario...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;The term &amp;quot;baseload&amp;quot; refers to electricity that has to be available 24/7. This is a challenge for intermittent [[energy]] sources like [[solar]] and [[wind]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==How much baseload power do we need?==&lt;br /&gt;
Most optimistically, only about 10% of global energy has to be baseload. The other 90% consists of ''industry'', ''road vehicles'', ''[[heating]]'', etc. In principle, these could run entirely on energy from peak-supply times of day. For example in a mostly-[[solar]] scenario, [[factories]] could run entirely during daytime (and maybe even slow down production during cloudy days). [[Electric vehicles]] could also be charged during daytime.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Things that truely need baseload power include:&lt;br /&gt;
* Lights in homes, buildings, and on city streets&lt;br /&gt;
* Computers, TVs, and most home appliances&lt;br /&gt;
* Web servers&lt;br /&gt;
* Electric [[trains]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Which energy sources can provide baseload power?==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[fossil fuels|Coal and natural gas power plants]] - these currently provide most baseload electricity around the world.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Hydropower]] - a greener energy source overall, but only viable in ''some'' parts of the world. Most hydro power plants that can be built, already have been - [[new hydro|with some exceptions]].&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Nuclear]] - currently depends on uranium-235, which is quite scarce. There might ''just barely'' be enough if nuclear power is used ''only'' for baseloads.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Adjustability of power plants==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Energy demand]] fluctuates throughout the day, and the [[energy supply]] has to adjust to accommodate this.&lt;br /&gt;
* Coal and natural gas power plants are the easiest to ramp up or ramp down on-the-fly - although the most efficient natural gas plants (the &amp;quot;combined cycle&amp;quot; type) can't respond quite as quickly.&lt;br /&gt;
* Some nuclear power plants can also be ramped up or down; others can't.&lt;br /&gt;
* Hydropower can be ramped up and ramped down by controlling the extra reservoirs of water. However, if demand stays high for long enough (perhaps several days), the reservoirs run out and the power plant can't keep up with demand. This isn't generally an issue because demand usually stays high only for a few hours at a time.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!-- TODO: quantifications needed:&lt;br /&gt;
 * for each power plant type, how many minutes might it take for it to ramp up or down? express as watts per minute, perhaps.&lt;br /&gt;
 * how long can peak demands really be sustained in the hydropower case? express as total joules in the water reservoirs, perhaps.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<author><name>Elie</name></author>
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