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		<title>Elie: Created page with &quot;Is it better to travel by car, bus, plane or train? A common approach would be to look at the average &quot;carbon emissions per passenger kilometer&quot; for each mode of transportation. But if we want a fair comparison, we have to make sure they are all calculated the same way:  Two ways to calculate: * A. Assume the vehicle is packed with some arbitrary number of people. Divide the vehicle's fuel economy by that number. * B. Look at the total yearly emissions of the {{alt|bus c...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;Is it better to travel by car, bus, plane or train? A common approach would be to look at the average &amp;quot;carbon emissions per passenger kilometer&amp;quot; for each mode of transportation. But if we want a fair comparison, we have to make sure they are all calculated the same way:  Two ways to calculate: * A. Assume the vehicle is packed with some arbitrary number of people. Divide the vehicle&amp;#039;s fuel economy by that number. * B. Look at the total yearly emissions of the {{alt|bus c...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Is it better to travel by car, bus, plane or train? A common approach would be to look at the average &amp;quot;carbon emissions per passenger kilometer&amp;quot; for each mode of transportation. But if we want a fair comparison, we have to make sure they are all calculated the same way:&lt;br /&gt;
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Two ways to calculate:&lt;br /&gt;
* A. Assume the vehicle is packed with some arbitrary number of people. Divide the vehicle's fuel economy by that number.&lt;br /&gt;
* B. Look at the total yearly emissions of the {{alt|bus company|airline|train system}}, and divide it by the total yearly passenger kilometers traveled by all its customers.&lt;br /&gt;
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'A' tends to be optimistic. 'B' tends to be realistic or pessimistic. {{x|Note that 'B' can't necessarily be applied to personal car travel, although it can still apply to ''rideshare'' car travel.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Why the difference, you ask? Because, for example, a bus full of people can be quite fuel-efficient {{light|(good by 'A')}}, but that doesn't help much if the bus company also has to send a lot of buses that don't often get filled {{light|(bad by 'B')}}.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Why this matters===&lt;br /&gt;
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====For informed consumer choices====&lt;br /&gt;
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I've been trying to get an honest evaluation of which modes of transport are really greener. But if I just compile a table of &amp;quot;carbon emissions per passenger kilometer&amp;quot;, there's no guarantee that it's a proper comparison. What if some of the data points were obtained by methodology 'A', and some by methodology 'B'? What if the cited sources{{x|especially ones that are easy to find, such as news articles}}don't specify (nor give enough clues to determine) which methodology was used? Or{{x|for proper academic sources}}what if the methodology is hidden behind a paywall?&lt;br /&gt;
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====For systemic changes====&lt;br /&gt;
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It's possible that {{alt|bus|train|air}} travel companies could save a huge amount of carbon emissions by not servicing low-traffic areas or hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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This of course would be terrible customer service. It also might even go against government policy in some countries. But if the status-quo carbon emissions are bad enough, maybe the companies should just do it anyway (first lobbying to change whatever policies get in the way). Even if all the customers lost{{x|most of which are rich or middle-class, by the way; with some exceptions}}would travel by car instead, maybe the overall carbon emissions would still be less. We'll never know unless we gather the numbers that matter.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Air travel]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Public transit]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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