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	==Next steps==		==Next steps==
	What does the world need to get started on making low-cost sodium-ion battery EVs? Join the {{~~TALK~~}}.		What does the world need to get started on making low-cost sodium-ion battery EVs? Join the {{tp2}}.
	===Actions to take===		===Actions to take===
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	* For [[electric vehicles]], probably yes but only if people are willing to put up with less ''range'' than today's expensive electric cars.		* For [[electric vehicles]], probably yes but only if people are willing to put up with less ''range'' than today's expensive electric cars.

			==Next steps==
			What does the world need to get started on making low-cost sodium-ion battery EVs? Join the {{TALK}}.
			===Actions to take===
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			==Considerations==
	{{considerations}} __NOTOC__		{{considerations}} __NOTOC__
	~~==Considerations==~~
	===Energy density===		===Energy density===
	{{basically\|Low}}		{{basically\|Low}}

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External links

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	==External links==		==External links==
	* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQE56ksVBB4 How Sodium-Ion Batteries May Challenge Lithium - CNBC]		* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQE56ksVBB4 How Sodium-Ion Batteries May Challenge Lithium - CNBC]
			* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-ion_battery Sodium-ion battery - Wikipedia]

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Temperature range

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	===Temperature range===		===Temperature range===
	{{basically\|Probably okay}}		{{basically\|Probably okay}}
	Stable from -30'C to 60'C. This is well-suited for vehicles that need to function in winter. Might it be a problem on extremely hot summer days though?{{rn}}		Stable from -30'C to 60'C. This is well-suited for vehicles that need to function in winter. Might it be a problem on extremely hot summer days though? {{rn}}

	===Minerals===		===Minerals===
	{{basically\|Abundant}}		{{basically\|Abundant}}

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Considerations

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	===Lifespan===		===Lifespan===
	{{basically\|Long}}		{{basically\|Long}}
	Sodium-ion can withstand many more charge cycles than lithium-ion.{{en}}		Sodium-ion can withstand many more charge cycles than lithium-ion.{{qn}}<br />
			Storing the battery at 0% charge will not harm it (unlike lithium-ion).
	===Safety===		===Safety===
	{{basically\|Stable}}		{{basically\|Stable}}
	Sodium-ion batteries, if damaged, are far less prone to catastrophic explosions than lithium-ion.		Sodium-ion batteries, if damaged, are far less prone to catastrophic explosions than lithium-ion.
			===Temperature range===
			{{basically\|Probably okay}}
			Stable from -30'C to 60'C. This is well-suited for vehicles that need to function in winter. Might it be a problem on extremely hot summer days though?{{rn}}
	===Minerals===		===Minerals===
	{{basically\|Abundant}}		{{basically\|Abundant}}
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	{{basically\|Available}}		{{basically\|Available}}
	Existing lithium-ion battery factories can be adapted to make sodium-ion batteries fairly easily{{x\|at least, compared to building new factories from scratch, as would be the case for some other battery types}}.		Existing lithium-ion battery factories can be adapted to make sodium-ion batteries fairly easily{{x\|at least, compared to building new factories from scratch, as would be the case for some other battery types}}.

	==External links==		==External links==
	* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQE56ksVBB4 How Sodium-Ion Batteries May Challenge Lithium - CNBC]		* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQE56ksVBB4 How Sodium-Ion Batteries May Challenge Lithium - CNBC]

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			[[Category:Energy storage]]

	Are sodium-ion batteries a viable candidate for massive [[energy storage]]?		Are sodium-ion batteries a viable candidate for massive [[energy storage]]?

Elie: Created page with "Are sodium-ion batteries a viable candidate for massive energy storage? Tl;dr: * For on-grid storage, probably yes. * For electric vehicles, probably yes but only if people are willing to put up with less ''range'' than today's expensive electric cars. {{considerations}} NOTOC ==Considerations== ===Energy density=== {{basically|Low}} If EVs were made with sodium-ion instead of lithium-ion batteries, their charge capacity would be significantly lower..."

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Created page with "Are sodium-ion batteries a viable candidate for massive energy storage? Tl;dr: * For on-grid storage, probably yes. * For electric vehicles, probably yes but only if people are willing to put up with less ''range'' than today's expensive electric cars. {{considerations}} __NOTOC__ ==Considerations== ===Energy density=== {{basically|Low}} If EVs were made with sodium-ion instead of lithium-ion batteries, their charge capacity would be significantly lower..."

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Are sodium-ion batteries a viable candidate for massive [[energy storage]]?

Tl;dr:
* For on-grid storage, probably yes.
* For [[electric vehicles]], probably yes but only if people are willing to put up with less ''range'' than today's expensive electric cars.

{{considerations}} __NOTOC__
==Considerations==
===Energy density===
{{basically|Low}}
If [[EVs]] were made with sodium-ion instead of [[lithium-ion batteries]], their charge capacity would be significantly lower. But maybe it would still be good enough for an average consumer use-case. See: [[short-range electric vehicles]].

Low range might not be good enough for [[freight trucks]], however. {{npn}}

Every once and awhile, there is some news hype about new breakthroughs that make sodium-ion as energy-dense as lithium-ion (or even more). But there's usually some sort of catch (engineering tradeoffs) and so far, none of it has not been brought to market.

This page is more about what could be done with existing tech instead of waiting around for a breakthrough.
===Cost===
{{basically|Maybe reasonable}}
Cheaper than lithium-ion but maybe not cheap enough.{{rn}}

If it is cheap enough, that would be a great selling-point: EVs could maybe even be cheaper than today's gasoline-powered cars. For that to happen, the [[energy]] and [[labor]] inputs of manufacturing would have to be moderate. Are they? {{rn}}
===Lifespan===
{{basically|Long}}
Sodium-ion can withstand many more charge cycles than lithium-ion.{{en}}
===Safety===
{{basically|Stable}}
Sodium-ion batteries, if damaged, are far less prone to catastrophic explosions than lithium-ion.
===Minerals===
{{basically|Abundant}}
Unlike lithium-ion, sodium-ion batteries are not based on cobalt and nickel. Sodium is extremely abundant in the Earth's crust. Mineral reserves are vastly more than what would ever be needed to make all vehicles electric and build the grid energy storage needed for [[rooftop solar]]. {{qn}}
===Production infrastructure===
{{basically|Available}}
Existing lithium-ion battery factories can be adapted to make sodium-ion batteries fairly easily{{x|at least, compared to building new factories from scratch, as would be the case for some other battery types}}.
==External links==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQE56ksVBB4 How Sodium-Ion Batteries May Challenge Lithium - CNBC]