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Elie: Took out the commented drafts of FAQs: Moved them to Talk:Plant-based food/Pending FAQs

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Took out the commented drafts of FAQs: Moved them to Talk:Plant-based food/Pending FAQs

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 ===="But I thought plant proteins were less digestible?"====
 Not if they're [[make plant proteins digestible|cooked properly]] and you have healthy [[gut flora]].
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 ===="But aren't plant-based burgers really processed?"====
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 ===="What about fertilizer? Don't we need animals to fertilize the soil by pooping?"====
 [[soil minerals|Animals don't add minerals]] to the overall system. They can only poop out whatever minerals were already there in the plants they eat (which came from the existing soil). Also, mass production of meat/dairy/eggs requires more crops, which just increases the need for [[fertilizer]] even more.
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 * Even after everyone is fully vegan, domesticated chickens/pigs/cows would still exist - maybe '''~0.1%''' of today's farm animal population - kept deliberately to preserve the species. They wouldn't be used for food. ''Petting zoos'' might be a good place for them{{x|could be privately or publicly owned, depending on the market}}. In any case, they would have to be given a [[animal species conservation|decent standard of living]].
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 This FAQ section will probably get longer over time.
 At the end of the day, people can survive '''and thrive''' without animal products, and it can be done [[cheap plant-based food|cheaply]] or [[expensive plant-based food|expensively]] or anything in between.
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Elie at 18:53, 14 March 2025

2025-03-14T18:53:55Z

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	==FAQ - Nutrition==		==FAQ - Nutrition==

	===="Can I really get all my nutrients without animal products?"====		===="Can I really get all my nutrients without animal products?"====
	Yes - [[Nutrition/Examples/Cheap plant-based\|see example]].		Yes - [[Nutrition/Examples/Cheap plant-based\|see example]].
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	===="What about minerals? Doesn't phytic acid get in the way of absorption?"====		===="What about minerals? Doesn't phytic acid get in the way of absorption?"====
	{{empty}} {{talk\|Start with: Not enough to be a problem... Also mention: Vitamin C and iron; RDAs set conservatively enough to account for phytates; ULs also conservative enough that somewhat exceeding them is safe in the context of phytates{{x\|in other words, RDAs account for worst-case low absorption; ULs account for worst-case high absorption; studies are based on "healthy for 95% of the population" and you would know if you're in the other 5% (TALK: verify. Research: what conditions would the 5% typically include?)}} }}		{{empty}} {{talk\|Start with: Not enough to be a problem... Also mention: Vitamin C and iron; RDAs set conservatively enough to account for phytates; ULs also conservative enough that somewhat exceeding them is safe in the context of phytates{{x\|in other words, RDAs account for worst-case low absorption; ULs account for worst-case high absorption; studies are based on "healthy for 95% of the population" and you would know if you're in the other 5% (TALK: verify. Research: what conditions would the 5% typically include?)}} }}

			===="What about B12?"====
			{{empty}}
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	==FAQ - Animals==		==FAQ - Animals==

	===="If everyone goes vegan, what would happen to the animals? What should farmers do with the animals?"====		===="If everyone goes vegan, what would happen to the animals? What should farmers do with the animals?"====
	* Option 1: Keep them until they die of old age. {{x\|Not very profitable, of course, but the right laws/incentives could overcome this.}}		* Option 1: Keep them until they die of old age. {{x\|Not very profitable, of course, but the right laws/incentives could overcome this.}}
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	3. Open up the discussion about sentience being a continuum: Is the death of 1 mouse morally equal to the death of 1 cow? I would say no (even though but both lives matter to some degree). Different creatures have different capacity for conscious experience (it probably loosely correlates with brain size but i'm sure there are other factors as well).		3. Open up the discussion about sentience being a continuum: Is the death of 1 mouse morally equal to the death of 1 cow? I would say no (even though but both lives matter to some degree). Different creatures have different capacity for conscious experience (it probably loosely correlates with brain size but i'm sure there are other factors as well).
	4. Even if it turns out that grass-fed beef involves fewer deaths per unit of protein (if we disregard the sentience continnum), don't forget that cows would not be able to produce enough protein to feed 8 billion people even if all land was grazed. So since we need some crops to feed the world, better to use fewer crops (via plant-based diets).		4. Even if it turns out that grass-fed beef involves fewer deaths per unit of protein (if we disregard the sentience continnum), don't forget that cows would not be able to produce enough protein to feed 8 billion people even if all land was grazed. So since we need some crops to feed the world, better to use fewer crops (via plant-based diets).

			===="But what about lions, tigers, wolves and other carnivores, do you think they shouldn't eat meat?"====
			{{empty}}
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	==FAQ - Other==		==FAQ - Other==
	==="Is it hypocritical when vegans are ok with abortion?"===		===="Is it hypocritical when vegans are ok with abortion?"====
	{{empty}} {{talk\|TODO: talk about 24 week mark, and status quo of abortion doctor policies}}		{{empty}} {{talk\|TODO: talk about 24 week mark, and status quo of abortion doctor policies}}
			===="But what about indiginous peoples, do you think they shouldn't eat meat?"====
			Indiginous people are less than 5% of the world's population. If they were the only ones eating meat, we wouldn't be in this environmental mess we're in. They Earth can sustain a few hundred million hunter-gatherers, but not 8 billion hunter-gatherers (animals would go extinct left right and center). To feed 8 billion people sustainably, we need plant agriculture. (this point comes up elsewhere as well, so maybe make this its own page?)
	{{talk\|TODO: also add one about "first world privilege"}}		{{talk\|TODO: also add one about "first world privilege"}}
			{{talk\|TODO: add faq "but i heard that plants have feelings too" - points to cover: 1. Regarding those studies showing that plants can "send signals in response to damage" - this is analogous to animal wound healing, not consciousness. 2. Nobody in their right mind would equate mowing the lawn with hurting a puppy, for example.}}
			{{talk\|TODO: add faq about honey. Some points to mention: 1. "but bees are needed for pollenation" - Pollinator bees produce as much honey as they need for themselves. When beekeepers harvest this honey, they have to replace it with some other sugar source (typically corn syrup based). If that's good enough for bees, it's good enough for humans (btw link to nutrition page about why empty calories can still be part of a healthy diet). 2. The aformented problem may be overcome by breeding bees specifically for honey production. But this makes them worse pollenators. You can't optimize for two things. Most honey comes from farms that don't provide pollenation services. Most pollenation service providers don't sell honey on any significant scale. 3. "but honey is antimicrobial" - so is any concentrated sugar source. Bacteria & molds don't grow because the ''water activity'' is too low. Slight acidity of honey helps too, which is easily recreatable with plant-based sweeteners. Btw compare the nutrition of honey, cane sugar, etc; in any case, the nutrients aren't very significant (but that's fine, as empty calories in moderation can still be part of a healthy diet). 4. In any case, if you want to eat honey, no one's stopping you. It's not a major part of status quo environmental degredation, compared to animal factory farming. (Although per calorie it's still not so great, and would be a lot worse if we tried to scale up the honey industry to match the sugar industry; would be worse than the sugar industry because it takes more land to grow crops to make the same amount of honey compared to sugar)}}
			{{talk\|TODO: add faq about "no ethical consumption under capitalism": teach the difference between boycotting companies (nearly futile) vs boycotting products (effective and necessary). show why. {{talk\|btw, what about boycotting countries? could be relevant to some other pages such as the BDS movement}}. also talk about ethically questionable plant products for comparison (palm oil, cocoa, maybe even sugar)}}
			{{talk\|TODO: add faq about "but humans are omnivores?"}}
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	This FAQ section will probably get longer over time.		This FAQ section will probably get longer over time.
	{{talk\|TODO: add faq "but i heard that plants have feelings too" - points to cover: 1. Regarding those studies showing that plants can "send signals in response to damage" - this is analogous to animal wound healing, not consciousness. 2. Nobody in their right mind would equate mowing the lawn with hurting a puppy, for example.}}
	{{talk\|TODO: add faq about honey. Some points to mention: 1. "but bees are needed for pollenation" - Pollinator bees produce as much honey as they need for themselves. When beekeepers harvest this honey, they have to replace it with some other sugar source (typically corn syrup based). If that's good enough for bees, it's good enough for humans (btw link to nutrition page about why empty calories can still be part of a healthy diet). 2. The aformented problem may be overcome by breeding bees specifically for honey production. But this makes them worse pollenators. You can't optimize for two things. Most honey comes from farms that don't provide pollenation services. Most pollenation service providers don't sell honey on any significant scale. 3. "but honey is antimicrobial" - so is any concentrated sugar source. Bacteria & molds don't grow because the ''water activity'' is too low. Slight acidity of honey helps too, which is easily recreatable with plant-based sweeteners. Btw compare the nutrition of honey, cane sugar, etc; in any case, the nutrients aren't very significant (but that's fine, as empty calories in moderation can still be part of a healthy diet). 4. In any case, if you want to eat honey, no one's stopping you. It's not a major part of status quo environmental degredation, compared to animal factory farming. (Although per calorie it's still not so great, and would be a lot worse if we tried to scale up the honey industry to match the sugar industry; would be worse than the sugar industry because it takes more land to grow crops to make the same amount of honey compared to sugar)}}
	{{talk\|TODO: add "but what about indiginous people" Indiginous people are less than 5% of the world's population. If they were the only ones eating meat, we wouldn't be in this environmental mess we're in. They Earth can sustain a few hundred million hunter-gatherers, but not 8 billion hunter-gatherers (animals would go extinct left right and center). To feed 8 billion people sustainably, we need plant agriculture. (this point comes up elsewhere as well, so maybe make this its own page?)}}
	~~{{talk\|TODO: add "but what about lions, tigers, wolves and other carnivores, should they eat meat?"}}~~
	{{talk\|TODO: add faq about "no ethical consumption under capitalism": teach the difference between boycotting companies (nearly futile) vs boycotting products (effective and necessary). show why. {{talk\|btw, what about boycotting countries? could be relevant to some other pages such as the BDS movement}} }}
	At the end of the day, people can survive '''and thrive''' without animal products, and it can be done [[cheap plant-based food\|cheaply]] or [[expensive plant-based food\|expensively]] or anything in between.		At the end of the day, people can survive '''and thrive''' without animal products, and it can be done [[cheap plant-based food\|cheaply]] or [[expensive plant-based food\|expensively]] or anything in between.

Elie at 14:54, 14 March 2025

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	==FAQ==		==FAQ - Nutrition==

	===="~~But~~ I ~~thought that plant-based diets lack~~ nutrients?"====		===="Can I really get all my nutrients without animal products?"====
	~~They~~ [[Nutrition/Examples/Cheap plant-based\|~~don't have to~~]].		Yes - [[Nutrition/Examples/Cheap plant-based\|see example]].

	===="But ~~aren't~~ plant proteins less digestible?"====		===="But I thought plant proteins were less digestible?"====
	Not if they're [[~~soups~~\|cooked properly]] and you have healthy [[gut flora]].		Not if they're [[make plant proteins digestible\|cooked properly]] and you have healthy [[gut flora]].

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			===="What about minerals? Doesn't phytic acid get in the way of absorption?"====
			{{empty}} {{talk\|Start with: Not enough to be a problem... Also mention: Vitamin C and iron; RDAs set conservatively enough to account for phytates; ULs also conservative enough that somewhat exceeding them is safe in the context of phytates{{x\|in other words, RDAs account for worst-case low absorption; ULs account for worst-case high absorption; studies are based on "healthy for 95% of the population" and you would know if you're in the other 5% (TALK: verify. Research: what conditions would the 5% typically include?)}} }}
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	===="But aren't plant-based burgers really processed?"====		===="But aren't plant-based burgers really processed?"====
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			==FAQ - Ecology==
	===="But I heard that grass-fed cows can be raised sustainably?"====		===="But I heard that grass-fed cows can be raised sustainably?"====
	* '''Not''' if [[deforestation\|forests are destroyed to make room for pasture]].		* '''Not''' if [[deforestation\|forests are destroyed to make room for pasture]].
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	[[soil minerals\|Animals don't add minerals]] to the overall system. They can only poop out whatever minerals were already there in the plants they eat (which came from the existing soil). Also, mass production of meat/dairy/eggs requires more crops, which just increases the need for [[fertilizer]] even more.		[[soil minerals\|Animals don't add minerals]] to the overall system. They can only poop out whatever minerals were already there in the plants they eat (which came from the existing soil). Also, mass production of meat/dairy/eggs requires more crops, which just increases the need for [[fertilizer]] even more.

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			===="What about all the deforestation involved in soy production?"====
			{{empty}}
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			==FAQ - Animals==

	===="If everyone goes vegan, what would happen to the animals? What should farmers do with the animals?"====		===="If everyone goes vegan, what would happen to the animals? What should farmers do with the animals?"====
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	* Even after everyone is fully vegan, domesticated chickens/pigs/cows would still exist - maybe '''~0.1%''' of today's farm animal population - kept deliberately to preserve the species. They wouldn't be used for food. ''Petting zoos'' might be a good place for them{{x\|could be privately or publicly owned, depending on the market}}. In any case, they would have to be given a [[animal species conservation\|decent standard of living]].		* Even after everyone is fully vegan, domesticated chickens/pigs/cows would still exist - maybe '''~0.1%''' of today's farm animal population - kept deliberately to preserve the species. They wouldn't be used for food. ''Petting zoos'' might be a good place for them{{x\|could be privately or publicly owned, depending on the market}}. In any case, they would have to be given a [[animal species conservation\|decent standard of living]].

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			===="What about all the animals killed in harvesting crops?"====
			TODO:
			1. Mention that it takes more crops to make an omnivore diet than it does to make a plant-based diet.
			2. Still research anyway to see actual statisitcs about field animal deaths.
			3. Open up the discussion about sentience being a continuum: Is the death of 1 mouse morally equal to the death of 1 cow? I would say no (even though but both lives matter to some degree). Different creatures have different capacity for conscious experience (it probably loosely correlates with brain size but i'm sure there are other factors as well).
			4. Even if it turns out that grass-fed beef involves fewer deaths per unit of protein (if we disregard the sentience continnum), don't forget that cows would not be able to produce enough protein to feed 8 billion people even if all land was grazed. So since we need some crops to feed the world, better to use fewer crops (via plant-based diets).
			-->
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			==FAQ - Other==
			==="Is it hypocritical when vegans are ok with abortion?"===
			{{empty}} {{talk\|TODO: talk about 24 week mark, and status quo of abortion doctor policies}}
			{{talk\|TODO: also add one about "first world privilege"}}
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	==See also==		==See also==
	* [[~~Alternatives to animal testing~~]]		* [[Animal welfare]]

Elie at 02:37, 2 February 2025

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	{{talk\|TODO: add "but what about indiginous people" Indiginous people are less than 5% of the world's population. If they were the only ones eating meat, we wouldn't be in this environmental mess we're in. They Earth can sustain a few hundred million hunter-gatherers, but not 8 billion hunter-gatherers (animals would go extinct left right and center). To feed 8 billion people sustainably, we need plant agriculture. (this point comes up elsewhere as well, so maybe make this its own page?)}}		{{talk\|TODO: add "but what about indiginous people" Indiginous people are less than 5% of the world's population. If they were the only ones eating meat, we wouldn't be in this environmental mess we're in. They Earth can sustain a few hundred million hunter-gatherers, but not 8 billion hunter-gatherers (animals would go extinct left right and center). To feed 8 billion people sustainably, we need plant agriculture. (this point comes up elsewhere as well, so maybe make this its own page?)}}
	{{talk\|TODO: add "but what about lions, tigers, wolves and other carnivores, should they eat meat?"}}		{{talk\|TODO: add "but what about lions, tigers, wolves and other carnivores, should they eat meat?"}}
			{{talk\|TODO: add faq about "no ethical consumption under capitalism": teach the difference between boycotting companies (nearly futile) vs boycotting products (effective and necessary). show why. {{talk\|btw, what about boycotting countries? could be relevant to some other pages such as the BDS movement}} }}
	At the end of the day, people can survive '''and thrive''' without animal products, and it can be done [[cheap plant-based food\|cheaply]] or [[expensive plant-based food\|expensively]] or anything in between.		At the end of the day, people can survive '''and thrive''' without animal products, and it can be done [[cheap plant-based food\|cheaply]] or [[expensive plant-based food\|expensively]] or anything in between.

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			Maybe move this whole FAQ section to another page, and just have the following message instead?:

			For questions, criticisms, or objections to plant-based diets, check out the [[/FAQ\|FAQ]] page.
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	==See also==		==See also==
	* [[Alternatives to animal testing]]		* [[Alternatives to animal testing]]

Elie at 22:10, 1 February 2025

2025-02-01T22:10:56Z

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	This FAQ section will probably get longer over time. At the end of the day, people can survive '''and thrive''' without animal products, and it can be done [[cheap plant-based food\|cheaply]] or [[expensive plant-based food\|expensively]] or anything in between.		This FAQ section will probably get longer over time.
			{{talk\|TODO: add faq "but i heard that plants have feelings too" - points to cover: 1. Regarding those studies showing that plants can "send signals in response to damage" - this is analogous to animal wound healing, not consciousness. 2. Nobody in their right mind would equate mowing the lawn with hurting a puppy, for example.}}
			{{talk\|TODO: add faq about honey. Some points to mention: 1. "but bees are needed for pollenation" - Pollinator bees produce as much honey as they need for themselves. When beekeepers harvest this honey, they have to replace it with some other sugar source (typically corn syrup based). If that's good enough for bees, it's good enough for humans (btw link to nutrition page about why empty calories can still be part of a healthy diet). 2. The aformented problem may be overcome by breeding bees specifically for honey production. But this makes them worse pollenators. You can't optimize for two things. Most honey comes from farms that don't provide pollenation services. Most pollenation service providers don't sell honey on any significant scale. 3. "but honey is antimicrobial" - so is any concentrated sugar source. Bacteria & molds don't grow because the ''water activity'' is too low. Slight acidity of honey helps too, which is easily recreatable with plant-based sweeteners. Btw compare the nutrition of honey, cane sugar, etc; in any case, the nutrients aren't very significant (but that's fine, as empty calories in moderation can still be part of a healthy diet). 4. In any case, if you want to eat honey, no one's stopping you. It's not a major part of status quo environmental degredation, compared to animal factory farming. (Although per calorie it's still not so great, and would be a lot worse if we tried to scale up the honey industry to match the sugar industry; would be worse than the sugar industry because it takes more land to grow crops to make the same amount of honey compared to sugar)}}
			{{talk\|TODO: add "but what about indiginous people" Indiginous people are less than 5% of the world's population. If they were the only ones eating meat, we wouldn't be in this environmental mess we're in. They Earth can sustain a few hundred million hunter-gatherers, but not 8 billion hunter-gatherers (animals would go extinct left right and center). To feed 8 billion people sustainably, we need plant agriculture. (this point comes up elsewhere as well, so maybe make this its own page?)}}
			{{talk\|TODO: add "but what about lions, tigers, wolves and other carnivores, should they eat meat?"}}
			At the end of the day, people can survive '''and thrive''' without animal products, and it can be done [[cheap plant-based food\|cheaply]] or [[expensive plant-based food\|expensively]] or anything in between.

Elie at 00:54, 24 June 2024

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 This FAQ section will probably get longer over time. At the end of the day, people can survive '''and thrive''' without animal products, and it can be done [[cheap plant-based food|cheaply]] or [[expensive plant-based food|expensively]] or anything in between.

Elie: /* "If everyone goes vegan, what would happen to the animals? What should farmers do with the animals?" */

2024-03-01T04:10:20Z

"If everyone goes vegan, what would happen to the animals? What should farmers do with the animals?"

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	** {{light\|Maybe the "pledge" part sounds weird & hypothetical, but so is the idea of everyone going vegan tomorrow.}}		** {{light\|Maybe the "pledge" part sounds weird & hypothetical, but so is the idea of everyone going vegan tomorrow.}}
	*** {{light\|If everyone ''gradually'' went vegan{{x\|as in, people slowly phase out meat in their diets - or people go "cold turkey" vegan but each starting from a different day - or anything in between: there wouldn't need to be a whole lot of coordination between people necessarily; just a general trend of being more plant-based}}, there'd be no "shock in demand"{{x\|as economists would say}}, and thus no "what do we do with the animals". Farmers already control how many animals are bred. They would just breed fewer of them.}}		*** {{light\|If everyone ''gradually'' went vegan{{x\|as in, people slowly phase out meat in their diets - or people go "cold turkey" vegan but each starting from a different day - or anything in between: there wouldn't need to be a whole lot of coordination between people necessarily; just a general trend of being more plant-based}}, there'd be no "shock in demand"{{x\|as economists would say}}, and thus no "what do we do with the animals". Farmers already control how many animals are bred. They would just breed fewer of them.}}
	* Even after everyone is fully vegan, domesticated chickens/pigs/cows would still exist - maybe '''~0.1%''' of today's farm animal population - kept deliberately to preserve the species. They wouldn't be used for food. ''Petting zoos'' might be a good place for them{{x\|could be privately or publicly owned, depending on the market}}. In any case, they would have to be given a [[~~abolish factory farms/Better standards~~\|decent standard of living]].		* Even after everyone is fully vegan, domesticated chickens/pigs/cows would still exist - maybe '''~0.1%''' of today's farm animal population - kept deliberately to preserve the species. They wouldn't be used for food. ''Petting zoos'' might be a good place for them{{x\|could be privately or publicly owned, depending on the market}}. In any case, they would have to be given a [[animal species conservation\|decent standard of living]].

Elie: /* "If everyone goes vegan, what would happen to the animals? What should farmers do with the animals?" */

2024-03-01T03:57:18Z

"If everyone goes vegan, what would happen to the animals? What should farmers do with the animals?"

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	* In either case, the farmers would '''stop breeding more animals.'''		* In either case, the farmers would '''stop breeding more animals.'''
	* In either case, people would still eat meat ''for another '''year''' or so'', after '''pledging''' to go vegan.		* In either case, people would still eat meat ''for another '''year''' or so'', after '''pledging''' to go vegan.
	** Maybe the "pledge" part sounds weird & hypothetical, but so is the idea of everyone going vegan tomorrow.		** {{light\|Maybe the "pledge" part sounds weird & hypothetical, but so is the idea of everyone going vegan tomorrow.}}
	*** {{light\|If everyone ''gradually'' went vegan{{x\|as in, people slowly phase out meat in their diets - or people go "cold turkey" vegan but each starting from a different day - or anything in between: there wouldn't need to be a whole lot of coordination between people necessarily; just a general trend of being more plant-based}}, there'd be no "shock in demand"{{x\|as economists would say}}, and thus no "what do we do with the animals". Farmers already control how many animals are bred. They would just breed fewer of them.}}		*** {{light\|If everyone ''gradually'' went vegan{{x\|as in, people slowly phase out meat in their diets - or people go "cold turkey" vegan but each starting from a different day - or anything in between: there wouldn't need to be a whole lot of coordination between people necessarily; just a general trend of being more plant-based}}, there'd be no "shock in demand"{{x\|as economists would say}}, and thus no "what do we do with the animals". Farmers already control how many animals are bred. They would just breed fewer of them.}}
	Even after everyone is fully vegan, domesticated chickens/pigs/cows would still exist - maybe '''~0.1%''' of today's farm animal population - kept deliberately to preserve the species. They wouldn't be used for food. ''Petting zoos'' might be a good place for them{{x\|could be privately or publicly owned, depending on the market}}. In any case, they would have to be given a [[abolish factory farms/Better standards\|decent standard of living]].		* Even after everyone is fully vegan, domesticated chickens/pigs/cows would still exist - maybe '''~0.1%''' of today's farm animal population - kept deliberately to preserve the species. They wouldn't be used for food. ''Petting zoos'' might be a good place for them{{x\|could be privately or publicly owned, depending on the market}}. In any case, they would have to be given a [[abolish factory farms/Better standards\|decent standard of living]].

Elie at 03:52, 1 March 2024

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 ==FAQ==
 ===="But I thought that plant-based diets lack nutrients?"====
 They [[Nutrition/Examples/Cheap plant-based|don't have to]].
 ===="But I heard that grass-fed cows can be raised sustainably?"====
-Not if [[deforestation|forests are destroyed to make room for pasture]].
+* '''Not''' if [[deforestation|forests are destroyed to make room for pasture]].
 ===="But don't cows eat the parts of crops that are too fibrous for humans to eat?"====
-Cows are ruminants, so yes, they can convert fiber into protein. But [[mushrooms]] can do that more efficiently.
+Cows are ruminants, so yes, they ''can'' convert fiber into protein. But [[mushrooms]] can do that more efficiently.
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 This FAQ section will probably get longer over time. At the end of the day, people can survive '''and thrive''' without animal products, and it can be done [[cheap plant-based food|cheaply]] or [[expensive plant-based food|expensively]] or anything in between.

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+==Pictures==
-: ''Just a few examples...''
+&nbsp; ''Just a few examples...''
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+<div class="fullWidth">[[File:plant-based-examples1.jpg]]</div>