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		<title>Elie at 18:17, 29 March 2025</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** in the case of soybeans, you can tell that blending it is better for high absorbability that doesn't require a lot of chewing. But for softer-type beans, does blending really make much difference (or is it diminishing returns - is digestibility already good enough if well cooked anyway)?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** in the case of soybeans, you can tell that blending it is better for high absorbability that doesn't require a lot of chewing. But for softer-type beans, does blending really make much difference (or is it diminishing returns - is digestibility already good enough if well cooked anyway)?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[User:Elie|Elie]] ([[User talk:Elie|talk]]) 12:12, 28 March 2025 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[User:Elie|Elie]] ([[User talk:Elie|talk]]) 12:12, 28 March 2025 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;== older version of preliminary outline, i wrote awhile back ==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[page titles i was thinking of at the time: &quot;vegetable puree&quot; or &quot;boil and blend&quot;]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* Why: Absorbability, convenience, getting enough vegetables into your stomach&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* What: Carrots, cabbage, ginger, garlic, onions, soybeans, beans, chickpeas, peas, lentils, boiled peanuts/almonds, add spices and salt. No fixed recipe required. Pictures.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;** things not recommended: potatoes or anything starchy&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* How: Clean up the veg (cut of any bad bits if there are) (soak, if beans or nuts) (optional freeze-thaw) (chop probably) and then most importantly: Boil and blend&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;** idea for a machine that can do some of this automatically. probably can't do the cleaning part but can do the boil/blend part more efficiently, can produce a lot without having to juggle so many containers&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;** or, just get big pots and containers (so then put in the 'see also' - [[second-hand kitchenware]], which btw should mention about [[home waste]])&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* Mention: For beans, keep the cooking water and maybe even the soaking water. Common myth about flatulance from that water - not true; flatulance comes from undercooked beans. You digest beans a lot better when they're overcooked and mushy - and at that point, most of the nutrients are in the cooking water. Don't let looks deceive you - the water might seem unappealing at first, but after you add vegetables and turn it into a soup, it's really good.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[User:Elie|Elie]] ([[User talk:Elie|talk]]) 14:17, 29 March 2025 (EDT)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Elie: Created page with &quot;==Preliminary outline== more nutritious when raw: * fruits * bell peppers * onions more nutritious when cooked: * carrots * beans * lentils * potatoes * grains technical explanation: * cooking breaks down cell walls (unleashes nutrients) but also damages some nutrients (especially vitamin c, some b vitamins, and some misc antioxidants). * btw, chewing also breaks down cell walls without damaging nutrients. So if your food is easy to chew and high in heat-{{t2|labile|ppl...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;==Preliminary outline== more nutritious when raw: * fruits * bell peppers * onions more nutritious when cooked: * carrots * beans * lentils * potatoes * grains technical explanation: * cooking breaks down cell walls (unleashes nutrients) but also damages some nutrients (especially vitamin c, some b vitamins, and some misc antioxidants). * btw, chewing also breaks down cell walls without damaging nutrients. So if your food is easy to chew and high in heat-{{t2|labile|ppl...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Preliminary outline==&lt;br /&gt;
more nutritious when raw:&lt;br /&gt;
* fruits&lt;br /&gt;
* bell peppers&lt;br /&gt;
* onions&lt;br /&gt;
more nutritious when cooked:&lt;br /&gt;
* carrots&lt;br /&gt;
* beans&lt;br /&gt;
* lentils&lt;br /&gt;
* potatoes&lt;br /&gt;
* grains&lt;br /&gt;
technical explanation:&lt;br /&gt;
* cooking breaks down cell walls (unleashes nutrients) but also damages some nutrients (especially vitamin c, some b vitamins, and some misc antioxidants).&lt;br /&gt;
* btw, chewing also breaks down cell walls without damaging nutrients. So if your food is easy to chew and high in heat-{{t2|labile|ppl arent familiar w this word, so define it here too}} nutrients, then eat it raw. Else cook it{{x|because for example with carrots, you gotta really chew the crap out of them to ensure maximum digestion/absorption}}.&lt;br /&gt;
freeze-thaw-blend method:&lt;br /&gt;
* breaks down cell walls without heat. &amp;quot;best of both worlds&amp;quot; basically&lt;br /&gt;
* i haven't actually tried it very much yet&lt;br /&gt;
** need to gather more empirical data on how many freeze-thaw cycles for each food&lt;br /&gt;
** also, how to measure whether it's effective or not? is the texture of the food an accurate indicator, or do we need a science lab to measure digestibility?&lt;br /&gt;
* this level of optimization probably isn't necessary for most foods&lt;br /&gt;
** which foods ''is'' it worthwhile for?&lt;br /&gt;
** carrots for example: it preserves antioxidants. But compare to &amp;quot;blended cooked carrots plus multivitamin&amp;quot;; good enough either way&lt;br /&gt;
** green coffee bean drink idea i.e. &amp;quot;raw coffee&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* in some cases it's not viable; for example, beans need to be cooked&lt;br /&gt;
** in the case of soybeans, you can tell that blending it is better for high absorbability that doesn't require a lot of chewing. But for softer-type beans, does blending really make much difference (or is it diminishing returns - is digestibility already good enough if well cooked anyway)?&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Elie|Elie]] ([[User talk:Elie|talk]]) 12:12, 28 March 2025 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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