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* The UL for niacin is set conservatively low to prevent a ''niacin flush'' when consuming a lot of niacin at once. The same nutritionists also mention that a niacin flush is completely harmless and maybe even beneficial, but might can feel like a "symptom" and might cause unnecessary worry for people who take a supplement for the first time.
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* The UL for manganese is low because there are limited studies on it; no one in any of the studies had any manganese toxicity from food, so nutritionists just set the UL to the highest intake seen ''so far''.
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Revision as of 14:35, 25 May 2023

Plant-based food has many options. There are countless dietary choices that could be healthy, unhealthy, cheap, expensive, low-calorie, high-calorie, low-protein, high-protein, etc.


This page is about ways to eat well with at least 95% of protein/calories coming from plants.

Some pictures

Balanced diets

Despite a lot of misinformation out there, It is possible to meet all of your nutritional needs by eating plants. It also doesn't have to be expensive.


To eat more healthy and more cheaply than most people do, Use these principles as a guide:

  • Get most of your protein from dried peas, lentils, and beans.
    • Use these to make soups - eat soup with every meal.
  • Get most of your calories from basically anything you want.
    • Cheapest options include grains, potatoes, oils, any baked goods (even sweets). [Note about carbs]
    • Even junk food is also okay, surprisingly. The overall diet will still be healthy, if you eat the soups and take the multivitamin.
    • This doesn't mean you should go crazy and always binge on carbs & fats, but you still need some. And if you only eat lentils & vegetables, you won't get enough calories (despite getting enough protein and other nutrients). See nutrition examples below.
  • Other useful foods include sunflower seeds, peanut butter - these have both protein and calories.
  • Include root vegetables such as carrots, onions, beets and garlic - whichever are cheap. They can be added to the soups.
  • Buy fresh fruits occasionally, when they go on sale.
    • This diet doesn't rely on them for vitamins - but over-ripe fruits have a probiotic effect which can greatly improve digestion.
  • Take a daily multivitamin.
    • This is essential for any diet that doesn't include massive amounts of expensive fresh fruits & vegetables.
      • Nutrients lost when extending the shelf life of fruits & vegetables: Vitamin C, and to some extent certain B vitamins.
      • The absolute cheapest possible diet would be just grains and legumes. These don't naturally have any vitamin C to begin with, and a few other nutrients are lacking as well. But a multivitamin would fill in almost everything that is missing. [Nutrition calculator example coming soon]
    • The human body needs over 30 different nutrients; most people are lacking in at least a few.
    • Vegan or not, most people could benefit from a cheapmultivitamin. You will likely feel a difference.


If this doesn't seem balanced on first glance, see some of the examples below - it is.

  • Note: These examples may not be perfect, but they are far more balanced than a typical diet in most countries.
  • Note: You can also play around with the nutrition calculator to analyze your own options.

Nutrition examples

cheap home cooking

A balanced diet with beans, root vegetables, and other ordinary foods.

See in nutrition calculator

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Notes:

  • Multivitamin is essential here.
  • Calcium is supplemented too (typically costs about 10 cents per day), because the cheap foods aren't naturally high in calcium.
  • This analysis shows the raw ingredients. Cooking instructions / recipes will be added to this wiki soon. In general, when you boil any food, do not drain the water; keep it for the soup. You don't want to lose some of the minerals (nutrients) .
  • Yes it's all vegan!


junk food method

Yes, it is possible to construct healthy diets with junkfood, in some cases. This is one example.

See in nutrition calculator

Screenshot:

Notes:

  • Multivitamin is essential here.
  • Calcium is supplemented too (typically costs about 10 cents per day), because the cheap foods aren't naturally high in calcium.
  • Even if the cookies have small amounts of dairy etc., the vast majority of calories & protein are still coming from plants.


low carb

See in nutrition calculator

Screenshot:

Notes:

  • Multivitamin is essential here.
  • This analysis shows the raw ingredients. Cooking instructions / recipes will be added to this wiki soon.
  • Yes it's all vegan!


natural vegan Not an example of the principles above. This tab is included for comparison.


This vegan diet is still nutritionally balanced but far more expensive.

See in nutrition calculator

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Notes:

  • No supplements are needed here.
  • The vitamin D comes from mushrooms.
  • The vitamin B12 is in the veggie burger.
    • If you really want to avoid processed veggie burgers, you can skip it, eat a bit more of the other foods, and get your B12 from nutritional yeast.
  • For maximum absorption of nutrients from the raw kale, make it a smoothie.


typical western diet Not an example of the principles above. This tab is included for comparison.


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Rationale

Reasons for choosing plant-based:

  • Humanitarian & environmental:
  • Animal ethics:
    • Factory farms (where animals are treated very badly) meet most of the world's demand for meat, milk and eggs. Less-cruel farming practices exist, but are less productive. To get rid of factory farms, we're going to have to consume fewer animal products.
  • Health:
    • Vegan or not, either way it's possible to get all the nutrients you need.
    • Plant-based eating might have additional benefits via consuming more antioxidants and fewer carcinogens. [RESEARCH needed]
    • Just make sure you actually get enough nutrition. A plant-based diet done wrong will cause your health to suffer. Hopefully this page has enough guidelines to prevent this.

In summary

If people ate fewer animal products,

  • Deforestation could finally be stopped, and
  • Massive amounts of farm land could be rewilded, and
  • Even with less crop production, there'd be more than enough surplus food to end global hunger, and
  • Factory farms could be abolished.


With all of this, it also helps to reduce food waste (the gap between production and consumption) .

FAQ

Veganism is a heated topic. This section can hopefully clear up some misconceptions on both sides of the debate. If you want to add more Q&A to this section, please join the .


Don't vegans eat mostly salad and greens with little protein & calories?
Not necessarily. See examples above.


Does eating this many beans make you fart all the time?
Not if the beans are cooked well enough. Gas might also be a sign that your gut needs more variety of bacteria to digest the variety of plants you eat. Include more probiotic foods such as over-ripe fruits or saurkraut. It may help to eat them towards the end of the meal.


Aren't plant proteins less digestible?
Not if they're cooked/blended properly and you have good gut flora. [new page needed]


Aren't chickens needed on farms to control pests by eating the bugs that infest crops?
Sometimes yes. However, this alone wouldn't even come close to producing as much chicken as people eat.


What about fertilizer? Don't we need animals to fertilize the soil by pooping?
Animals don't add minerals to the overall system. They can only poop out whatever minerals were already there in the soil/plants. Also, mass production of meat/dairy/eggs requires more crops, which just increases the need for fertilizer even more.


Q: What to do with all the animals if everyone goes vegan?

A:

  • Option 1: Keep them until they die of old age.
  • Option 2: Keep slaughtering them at the same rate they currently are.
  • In either case, the farmers stop breeding more animals.
  • In either case, people would still eat meat for another year or so, after pledging to go vegan.
  • Maybe the "pledge" part is weird and hypothetical, but so is the idea of everyone going vegan tomorrow.
  • If everyone graduallywent vegan, there'd be no "shock in demand", and thus no "what do we do with the animals". Farmers already control how many animals are bred. They would just breed fewer of them.


More FAQ coming soon.

See also