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====Battery electric vehicles====
====Battery electric vehicles====
* [[?|NMC-type lithium-ion batteries]] are used in most EVs today, but [[?|scaling them up is unsustainable]] due to the amount of '''cobalt''' in them.
* Most EVs today use [[?|NMC-type lithium-ion batteries]] - but [[?|scaling these up is unsustainable]] due to the amount of '''cobalt''' in them.
* [[?|LFP-type lithium batteries]] are cobalt-free, but hold somewhat less of a charge (i.e. the vehicle gets less range). Lithium scarcity is less of a problem than cobalt scarcity, but it is [[?|still somewhat an issue]].
* [[?|LFP batteries]] are cobalt-free, but hold somewhat less of a charge (i.e. the vehicle gets less range). LFP batteries are still lithium-based, and lithium scarcity [[?|would be somewhat a problem]] but not as bad as cobalt.
* [[?|Sodium-ion batteries]] are made from abundant materials - they don't have any mineral-scarcity problem ([[?|probably]]). But they hold even less of a charge than LFP. [[?|Sodium-ion EVs]] are still usable, but their range isn't great.{{qn}} [[Cheap short-range EVs/Market research|Might still be good enough]] for a lot of people, [[Sodium-ion batteries/Cost|if the EV is cheap enough]].
* [[?|Sodium-ion batteries]] are made from abundant materials - they don't have any mineral-scarcity problem ([[?|probably]]). But they hold even less of a charge than LFP. [[?|Sodium-ion EVs]] are still usable, but their range isn't great.{{qn}} [[Cheap short-range EVs/Market research|Might still be good enough]] for a lot of people, [[Sodium-ion batteries/Cost|if the EV is cheap enough]].
* For buses, LFP and sodium-ion are perfectly fine. The lower energy-density is not a problem, because buses need extra weight at the bottom anyway for stability. <!-- explain better? -->
* For '''buses''', LFP and sodium-ion are both perfectly fine. The lower energy-density is not a problem, because buses need extra weight at the bottom anyway for stability. <!-- explain better? -->


Actions/discussions:
Actions/discussions:
* [[?|Next steps for sodium-ion batteries]]
* [[?|Next steps for sodium-ion batteries]] {{talk|Is it true that sodium-ion EVs are available in China already, and just not in North America? If sodium-ion batteries are on the market now, how does their cost compare to lithium-based batteries so far?}}
* [[?|How well are EV batteries recycled?]]
* [[?|How well are EV batteries recycled?]]


====Hydrogen-powered vehicles====
====Hydrogen-fueled vehicles====
* Hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles would be unsustainable to scale up, because of the [[amount of platinum & palladium in the fuel cells]]. {{talk|This page needs to mention: Hydrogen ''production'' also requires these same metals but it [[wind/Hydrogen|can be done with much less of them]] and thus could probably be done sustainably.}}  
* Hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles would be unsustainable to scale up, because of the [[?|amount of platinum & palladium in the fuel cells]]. {{talk|This page needs to mention: Hydrogen ''production'' also requires these same metals but it [[?|can be done with much less of them]] and thus could probably be done sustainably.}}  
* Hydrogen combustion vehicles don't have this problem, but their fuel economy (efficiency) is lower.{{qn}} {{talk|How bad would this be an issue if renewables or nuclear were to be the main energy sources?}} {{talk|Discussion needed: How much hydrogen would have to be stored at any given time, in such a scenario (let's say if it's all produced through nuclear power)? Probably a lot less than the "renewables + energy storage" approach. I need to write a page explaining why.}}
* Hydrogen combustion vehicles don't have this problem, but their fuel economy (efficiency) is lower.{{qn}} {{talk|How bad would this be an issue if renewables or nuclear were to be the main energy sources?}} {{talk|Discussion needed: How much hydrogen would have to be stored at any given time, in such a scenario (let's say if it's all produced through nuclear power)? Probably a lot less than the "renewables + energy storage" approach. I need to write a page explaining why.}}


====Ammonia-fueled vehicles====
This wiki needs more research on this:
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How does ammonia compare to hydrogen in terms of:
* Production energy-efficiency
* Fuel cell energy-efficiency
* Catalyst metals required for ammonia production and for fuel cells
* Storage (materials required per unit of energy)
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==More / See also==
==More / See also==
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