Genocide that feels like self-defense is still genocide: Difference between revisions

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Decided to go with "Solution 3" (mentioned in the discussion that I'm now removing). I also added a new section "Important principles"

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-'''Hot take:'''
+==Hot take==
 If you think you're {{t2|fighting|{{light|''More specifically:''}} using violence}} in ''self-defense'', but your definition of a {{t2|threat|{{light|''More specifically:''}} a threat that "shall be neutralized with deadly force"}} is so broad that it includes almost an entire ethnic group, then you are supporting genocide.
-<!--==Genocides that felt like self-defense==-->
+==Mass murder that feels like self-defense is still mass murder==
-==Examples==
 * '''Nazi Germany:''' The holocaust was motivated by the belief that a Jew is a threat to the German economy.
 * '''Israel:''' Israel defines "Hamas combattant" so loosely that the majority of Palestinians could fit the definition.
-* '''Hamas:''' Hamas "doesn't kill all Jews, only Zionists", but defines "Zionist" so loosely that the majority of Jews could fit the definition. {{talk|Technically, Hamas's terrorism isn't large-scale enough to be considered genocide. But it's important to include on this page. I was thinking to split the list into 2 parts <!--==Examples==-->(''genocides'' and ''smaller-scale war crimes''). But then Israel & Hamas would no-longer be listed beside each other, and so a particular lesson would be lost. But ya, I also want to include Soviet Russia and Maoist China, regarding their mass murders. Also maybe list the KKK as an example as they think they're "defending America"?}}
+* '''Hamas:''' Hamas "doesn't kill all Jews, only Zionists", but defines "Zionist" so loosely that the majority of Jews could fit the definition.
 * '''Rwanda:''' {{pn|(not written yet)}}
+* '''Soviet Russia:''' {{pn|(not written yet)}}
+* '''Maoist China:''' {{pn|(not written yet)}}
+* '''White nationalism:''' {{pn|(not written yet)}}
-{{talks|
+==Important principles==
-Maybe this page should be renamed to "[[War crimes that feel like self-defense are still war crimes]]"?
+* '''Stupidity is more common than evil:''' The majority of a population can be ''wrong'' about a lot of things, but that doesn't mean they deserve to die.
-* '''Pros:''' More technically correct, if we want the list of examples to include stuff that's a bit too small-scale to be considered genocide but is still important enough to be part of the lesson.
-* '''Cons:''' The title just doesn't have the same ring to it. Even worse, someone might misunderstand it as "It's still a war crime but maybe it's ok because it's self-defense, war crimes are inevitable" - no, it's not ok, and the whole point of this page is to show how war crimes could be averted if we changed our thinking.
+==See also==
-* '''Solution 1:''' Maybe keep the title as-is but separate out the "true examples" from the "also important to note" examples?
+* [[War]]
-* '''Solution 2:''' How about "[[Mass murder that feels like self-defense is still mass murder]]"? And maybe still say "Genocide that feels like self-defense is still genocide" somewhere on the page?
+* [[Human rights]]
-* '''Solution 3:''' Keep the title as-is, but have a heading "Mass murder that feels like self-defense is still mass murder" somewhere?
-}}

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